Posts by chicken little

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My son was murdered today

by truman in

i have been on this site daily, almost from its beginning, since i left the jws in 2001, but i have been more of a reader than a poster, as you can see from my post count.

i know few here know me, although i know many of you through reading your posts.

maybe it is not right to ask for support, when i generally stay quietly in the background of this forum, but i want only to speak a human misery of the deepest kind.

I wanted to write before but could not find my password, now I have I would like to send you my sincere condolences for the loss of your dear son. It was a truly ugly and meaningless way for him to have to die and I do not doubt that you have many conflicting emotions at the moment. I hope you will gain comfort from your family and friends and that your good memories will help you to keep him close in your mind and heart. We nearly lost our son in October from a IED in Afghanistan, we did not know if he would survive for some weeks. So although we still have him the feelings of loss and panic are still close to me so I truly feel for you.

Much love and empathy

Chicken little

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She's back and I could really use some advice!

by OneDayillBeFree in

i dont know where to begin.

i do know it might get lengthy so i'm sorry for that.

and also many thanks to all who read the whole thing.

chicken little

Hej there,

I can only speak from my own feelings and experiences, so if it is not what you want to hear then sorry. I think that you made a mistake not telling her how you stand, she will feel that you have tricked her into showing her feelings for you under false pretences. The conflict between her feelings for you and the witness mentality will be a real ordeal for her once she realizes that you are no longer a believer. I do not think that it is a good foundation for a relationship to be built on, when you have to be cunning and finding ways to undermine her beliefs, even though you are doing so out of the best motive. Most JWs will become very defensive and experience terrible feelings of discomfort, not good feelings to introduce into a romantic relationship in my opinion.

Maybe you could come clean with her before you get too deeply involved emotionally. It would be kinder in my opinion. But maybe others have different advice for you.

I do wish you all the best though.

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Another WT property for sale, from the Indianapolis Star

by insearchoftruth in

there's also the assembly of jehovah's witnesses, 1201 n. delaware st. it's a majestic, century-old house of god, fronted by enormous stone pillars that would give samson pause.. .

it was built in 1912 by christian scientists who, when they moved on, sold it to baptists.

the baptists moved on in the 1970s and sold it to jehovah's witnesses.

chicken little

The local kingdom hall here was sold and it is now the church of christ.

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New to the board

by jbeau504 in

jw
friends

i'm new to this board and looking to see what it's all about.

i'm currently an unbaptized publisher and third-generation jw, so for obvious reasons i can't give my real name due to personal concerns.

so from now on people can refer to me as "jimmy".

chicken little

Welcome Jimmy,

I was brought into the jws as a toddler and stayed for 45years. I left 5 years ago after being a pioneer for years and married to an elder and moved to serve in another country. I left because my conscience would not allow me to teach something that I no longer believed. My main problem was seeing the glorification of the governing body and their "laws" and doctrines being put above the bible and my own conscience. The fact that nobody ever asked me the most important question of all when I left "Do you still believe in God or Jesus?" Rather they kept asking if I believed that the organization was being used by God and if I accepted the teachings of the faithful and discreet slave. Strange that the most obvious question was not of importance to them. They just wanted to be able to put me in a catagory and give me a name...apostate, dissassociated, bad association etc. That way they could limit any damage they thought I may cause by being on the outside after so many years as a high profile member. Sad really. Since leaving I have never had more happiness, contentment and freedom in my life. I have not grown horns or become an evil immoral person either!

Keep posting

Chicken little

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Are you sure leaving the JW religion has made your life better?. Lurkers think twice

by mankkeli in

on this forum, i have carefully read most of the experiences of those who left the jw religion, i have even read experiences that have dated back to 2001, i have read the different circumstances surrounding their exits and what ensued upon leaving.

for the majority, i observed they are better remainning in the religion than leaving.

what benefit is there to strain family relationship because you want to be free?, please tell me, of what value is that freedom?,.

chicken little

So it is okay for Mank to read thousands of threads, but he does not want any other jw lurker to do the same? He does not want anyone to wake up and feel uncomfortable, just stay in the drug like haze of delusion. I honestly think this is someone using a google translate job from Japan, it sounds like someone desperate to hang onto what he has paid so much into over the years. SAD, sad, sad.

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Im disfellowshipped

by newcomer1982 in

think it was announced yesterday that im disfellowshipped.

will these feelings of guilt and panic ever go away?

my head is so messed up.

chicken little

You are experiencing feelings that must be overwhelming. Your guilt is not founded on anything solid, it is a result of your parents choice to shun you. They should feel guilt. Your child comes first now and you need to seek out people that will support you and listen to you. Do you have any free counseling services in town? Otherwise contact your doctor and have a chat about the situation and also go to your childs school and speak with the teachers in case they see any unusual behaviour.

Keep positive, you are taking steps to regaining your life and helping your child to have freedom. I wish you all the best, keep posting on here and share your pain. Smile and wave at anyone who shuns you, then keep walking with your head high and a smile on your face.

Hugs

Chicken little

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My Father passed away during the night

by jwfacts in

dad was a great man, great, despite the religion.

he was powerful, tall and intelligent, yet humble and kind.

he was an introvert, and a circuit overseer.

chicken little

So sorry for your loss, hope you have the strength to hold your head high and be there for your Dad today and not let anyone get under your skin. I admire your love and regard for your Dad, he was of the old school. There are few like him left, I am glad you made your peace with him before died.

Hugs to you

Chicken little

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How do i overcome this guilt and fear?

by newcomer1982 in

ive recently decided not to be a witness anymore and at the age of 28 was still so afraid to tell my parents.

the truth is their life and knew i would hurt them.

ive had such a battle with the elders and because my dad is an elder its even worse.

chicken little

Welcome to the board, my son was born in 1983 and he was the first in our family to wake up to the fact that it was not "truth". He was sixteen and it was so hard for us to deal with. My husband was an elder and we had a younger daughter. It took another eight years before we were all out including our youngest son who is now 10.

I had bad feelings for so long while I was in, coming out was a relief and my husband following me was so important. I can only suggest that you give yourself time, reassure your family of your love for them; do not explain too much. Tell them you need time to think things through and that it is between you and Jehovah, they find it hard to argue against this statement. Tell them your bible trained conscience is bothering you and you need to study alone to sort things out. I used this tactic and it worked in the sense that we were left alone and have not been disfellowshipped or shunned by the majority.

The guilt and fear subsides when you realize that you have been under a form of mind control, I proved this by experimenting just before I left the congregation. One meeting I talked for a few minutes with some sister about Jesus, I mentioned his name five or six times in a few sentences and spoke of how he would handle things today. The looks on the faces of those sisters was one of uneasiness as if I had become born again or something odd like that. The next meeting I spoke with the same sisters and kept mentioning the faithful and discreet slave and the organization says this, and that....they did not blink an eye, they were relaxed and accepting of what I said. It really scared me because I could see plainly that they were only comfortable if it was from the organization and not so much Jesus. I stopped going the next week and have never been back.

I did read the King James version of the bible following my departure and after six months of research I no longer felt the need to check up or study any more. I was free.
Best wishes to you and your family, hope it turns out fine for you, my motto is "be true to yourself", anything else is just living a lie.

Chicken little

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ten toes OH we dont really know what the hell were talking about WE JUST NEED U TO KEEP BUSY AND OBEY AND MAKE US MONEY THOUGH YOUR DONATIONS OR THOSE U CONVERT

by TheLoveDoctor in

chicken little

Sounded like the beginning of a little ditty; them toes them toes them ten toes!

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World Destruction

by Maze in

i remember an alternative song released in the 1980's.. .

nothing has changed since then for the better, only for the worse.

will humanity bring the world to a permanent end if divine intervention wasn't a factor to take into consideration?

chicken little

Well personally I think the destruction of the dinasours counts much higher on the cataclysmic scale than anything you point out. Then comes the Bubonic Plague...then the widespread famine in the aftermath of the Laki volcano in 1768, but hej we were not around then so everything is soooo worse today. Check out life expectancy charts from the last couple of hundred years and see what you find out. Better still go onto a charity site like the Red Cross and see just what advances are being made even in areas that have been viewed as "behind".

What gets me is that humans only see what they want to see; if you want to see death and destruction you will find it everywhere, just look at the animal kingdom first. If you want to see positive advances; you will find them, get involved with a charity or a fundraising project.